I recently had the opportunity to talk with Mark Keenan. Mark is Managing Director, Global Commodities Strategist & Head of Research Asia-Pacific at Société Générale. He is also the author of the book, “Positioning Analysis in Commodity Markets – Bridging Fundamental & Technical Analysis”.
In this interview you will learn why it’s important to be aware of the objectives of all market participants in commodity markets and why using methods like positioning analysis offer very good insights into whose doing what, and what happens when they do too much of it and how much positioning then relates to other factors like price, curve structure and fundamentals.
What first got you started in commodity markets?
I think like perhaps many of us I didn’t study what I ended up doing, much to some peoples disappointment, but it’s turned out ok. I studied chemistry and biochemistry so I was also drawn into the world commodities because I felt I had some edge in understanding things like the chemistry of oil and how its refined, metals, and how they are produced, including the various smelting and refining processes, and by extension in agriculture the genetic modification of crops. I liked all of that, understood it and I figured commodities were real. I studied science and that was real, and so I thought that if I’m going to get into finance, this is a suitable place with some degree of overlap.
The thing that really got me into modelling and trading it was that I was quite ‘quanty’ at university where even the chemistry that I did, was quantitatively driven. I worked on the human genome project which is not so different from what I do today, which is looking for patterns and sequences in vast amounts of data. Specifically, at the time when I started out, it was the birth of computerised trading in so far as all the CTA models and trend following algorithms were starting to proliferate and develop. This was much in alignment with the growth in software that became available at the time to test and build strategies such as TradeStation and Metastock. I spent my early days endlessly building and programming algorithms and of course commodities were one the main markets that leant themselves well to that approach.
The “real” nature of commodities and a background in modelling were the two main things gave me my background in commodities and seeded my interest in the asset class.
What gets you excited about talking about commodities?
I think it’s important to make a distinction between talking about markets and talking about commodities. The thing that is so fascinating for me about commodities is that they are so very different from the other financial assets. You have such a vast array of objectives among the many different market participants which adds huge insight into behaviour. Very simply, if you look at the futures markets, which is the main point of access to commodity markets for most people, you have consumers and producers which are essentially “hoping” to lose money with their derivative hedging positions and make money in the physical world; you’ve got speculators hoping to make money with directional bets, but in reality, many are playing relative value positions, and collectively all of these groups are trading across a forward curve, so the point or location in time at which they are doing it, also varies considerably. So that’s hugely interesting, and distinct from the relatively uniform objective of participants in the equity market for example, space where pretty much everyone is seeking to make money out of their position.
I think also that uniquely in the commodities space, there is often a mismatch between analysis and research and the actual price response despite often considerable consensus in a view that make the asset class tradeable. By that I mean that you often come across situations, where you’ll see that many people are bullish sugar for example, and because of transport dynamics, including port and vessel logistics and many physical characteristics of the market; everyone may think the market is going to go up, but they may not be able to effect that view. Simple they might not be able to buy all the sugar that they need now, because they just don’t have the budget or the credit lines or the vessels to do it. By doing research and understanding what the underlying fundamentals are, because of these structural hurdles, there is often a slower response in terms of how the price catches up with the view. This allows positions to be taken from an investment, trading or speculative perspective that have time to make money.
As many of these logistical constraints force shifts in fundamentals to persist for some period of time, prices often become very serially correlated. Interesting mismatches between research and analysis and the eventual price response occur that are often monetizable due to these relationships not being contemporaneous (like in many other asset classes). I like that disconnect, that’s what you can get your teeth into, and that’s what can make money.
Even for speculators, I would say that 70% are CTA driven in the commodities space which generally means they have a rules based strategy or they are technically driven and are hence often constrained in how flexible and responsive to a view they can be. For other types of investors, whilst they may think a commodity may go to price x they are often subject to enormous restrictions in terms of their trading and investment mandates and can’t really effect the view either. Lastly on and almost on a daily basis, I come across people that have a view on a particular commodity, whether its natural gas, gold or crude oil and they don’t really understand how to capture that view. They are simply not familiar with the access instruments, or they are not comfortable with the instrument like futures or options.
Collectively many of these properties and dynamics, combined with the innate diversity across the complex make commodities fascinating assets to trade in a financial framework. Their sensitivity to their own endogenous idiosyncratic price drivers, but also to outside macroeconomic variables combined with how well they lend themselves to data analytics make them fascinating to talk about and to study. They are always changing and there are always new ways of looking and thinking about at things, fundamentally, technically and for a sentiment/behavioural and positioning perspective – that’s what I like.
How should traders and investors use that blend of approaches – fundamental, technical and positioning?
I get that all of the time when I’m talking to people who are just entering the markets. Should I be a technical or a fundamental trader? And what I hope to try and do is to break down many of the preconceived barriers or notions about what types of analysis works and to not think about research or trading in silos. I don’t think that makes sense anymore, or whether it ever did. A blend of a variety of different analytics is essential, especially with the growth in technology, and the fact that everyone with a website can now plot reasonably advanced technical analysis for all commodities, as distinct from 20 years ago when they had the point and figure charting on the wall of the NYMEX exchange, and price data was very hard to obtain. Now, with it being much more accessible, I think a more balanced exposure to different ways of analysing the market is very sensible, with the challenge very simply lying in knowing when you need to look at fundamentals, when technical analysis is important and when the slightly more esoteric things like sentiment and behavioural patterns and positioning can help. This is what makes the difference between a good trader and an excellent trader.
You say that the individual can produce relatively sophisticated analysis but isn’t the playing field still weighted against them when they are up against commodity trading funds?
That’s an interesting question. I think most certainly the physical market participants including the trade houses have a phenomenal window into the actual commodity market and in many instances influences over the movement and storage of commodities all over the world. This affords them deep insight into how commodity prices are going to behave. They do however tend to be less familiar with the investment world, which has a significant interest in commodity markets and is growing by the day, with how prices are behaving. They have very little understanding of how investors behave and what they want out of commodity markets. I’m constantly sitting down with trade houses, that might be bearish soybeans for example, and I say I’ve been talking to a pension fund that’s just increased their commodity exposure, which means they will be buying soybeans. Often they can’t reconcile this and therefore don’t understand why they still buy them. They’re not familiar with commodity indices, diversified exposure and hedging against inflation and all the other objectives.
It’s important to be aware of the objectives of all market participants, as the market continues to grow and become more diversified – especially now with computerised trading strategies and algorithms. A lot of the physical world is very nervous about this; they don’t understand what this might mean for prices.
In short, with so many different market participants, and a fascinating blend of different strategies, using methods like positioning analysis offer very good insights into whose doing what, and what happens when they do too much of it and how much positioning then relates to other factors like price, curve structure and fundamentals. This can help all market participants enormously – especially individuals.
How should someone think about a market where money managers are holding a large net short position? That it could unwind and so see prices rise sharply, or that money managers have typically done well in the past and so prices are likely to stay lower for longer?
There are a few factors to take into account; firstly it is very important to have some view as to whether the market is range bound or whether its trending – be that up or down – since this can alter the interpretation of positioning quite significantly.
Secondly, one of the things I have found interesting, is that money managers and commodity speculators since 2008 have had a very difficult time making money. If you track hedge fund indices based on the performance of commodity hedge funds, they have been in near linear descent. Anecdotally, we also continuously hear reports of hedge funds winding down. The question therefore of what to do when a manager has large position lies in whether to copy them or to bet against them.
One of the things in the book that was addressed is how to measure where money managers are making money. Understanding this is very important as it can help shape behaviour. For example, hearing that fund managers are very long natural gas for example – a market that they’re generally very profitable in, could suggest that not going against this trend would be sensible.
Perhaps the most important thing that I think is critical is that positioning analysis cuts traders up into various buckets and then they have to behave accordingly to what bucket they are in. For example in the money manager bucket they have to close out their positions, they can’t go to delivery, they can’t play in the physical market because if they could they would be in a different category. So when you see a very large short position that means very simply that they are going to have to close that position out. And if you see that in the context of a very low price suggesting that those money managers have made some money building up that short position and prices have fallen, that can be a very interesting buying opportunity for consumers as there is a high risk that those prices move higher as a function of short covering. And likewise on the other side when you have a very large long position and prices are very high, that might be a very good time for a refiner to sell some of their products. Simply using the position of money managers, whether they are right or wrong in their direction can really help you time your trading and hedging more effectively. We’ve found that many of the clients that we’ve spoken to and showed them these very extreme positioning its been very helpful.
What was your objective behind writing the book?
My objective very simply was to define positioning analysis as an area of research that is a very powerful framework for understanding how commodity prices behave. And I think that positioning data is probably the most underutilised set of data in the commodity markets. Over the years through building models I’ve realised that it is incredibly powerful so the objective behind this book was to set out numerous strategies and models that show different ways of thinking about how positioning data firstly bridges fundamental and technical analysis and how changes in positioning patterns inter-plays with price, curve structure, inventories, cancelled warrants in the metals sector, seasonal factors and many others. It’s fascinating as you’re identifying how people behave in the context of a wider variables and that really helps trading.
People have said to me that one of the biggest hurdles to using positioning data is that it is lagged. But my response to that is that every bit of data is lagged. The fascinating thing to me is when I ask them what you mean by the word lagged. They seem to infer that someone has the data before them, that in some ways that it has been corrupted in some way. When you look at inventory that people often attach even more importance to that is lagged and that is data that is most definitely corrupted because the people that control the inventory and have built storage facilities they know pretty much before the market participants. If you take energy as an example when the Dept. of Energy release their inventory numbers all the oil market has a very good idea of what’s going to happen, yet people don’t talk about that as being lagged. Whereas with positioning data every single person in the world, except the US government gets it at the same time. When you look at it like that that allays some of those concerns.
So my objective with the book was to break this data apart and blend it with all these inputs, that we often look into isolation, and try and tie them together into very simple models. The look to see what happens when these variables reach extremes and when they move in trends. What does that mean for prices, curve structure and behaviour patterns. Certainly over the years I’ve found these relationships to be extremely powerful.
There’s a chart in your book that shows Bloomberg search terms for positioning, and while its clearly become more popular in recent years it’s still not mainstream.
I was trying to explain positioning to people that are not in the market and on a very basic level its like gossip. Everyone is interested in that on some level. If you go to a technical analysis in commodities and you say to him that copper inventories are at a ten year low, he or she is not going to really care about that information. If you go to a fundamental analyst and you explain that the MACD lines have crossed over last week they are not going to know what that means potentially. But if you go to both of them and you say guess what all the consumers did last week? They are not going to say we’re not interested. That’s useful information. How you cut it and deliver that information is crucial. As you say there is a big gap between technical and positioning analysis and positioning analysis fills that well.
Any plans for a future book?
People have asked me to extend the book and do a more advanced version with all the latest data – a sort of advanced positioning analysis that might build on this.
One of the charts in the book is based on news flow. One of the areas we work a lot here at SocGen is building news flow indices to do all sorts of things, to assess geopolitical risk, the weather, trends in fundamentals and price and so on. I think that news flow analytics is doable now because of the computer power available now and the integrity of news databases. Perhaps my second book will revolve around news flow analysis as a new type of momentum signal. It’s quite fascinating when you look at the correlation between a basic technical trend following model for example – one where the signals are generated not by changes in price, but by changes in news flow, where people talk about copper going up or down for example. When you look at that dynamic, it tends to give you a very different return profile.
Thanks for your time today Mark. Where can people find or follow you?
You can follow me on Twitter @markjskeenan
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